Thomas Anderson – the eBook

This is a free eBook in PDF format about (mostly) my research into the death of Thomas Anderson in 1752. Anderson was the subject of an article for the Shrewsbury Folk Club magazine by the late Ron Nurse, which was the starting point for a song of mine that I’ve written about several times since, notably in my book So Sound You Sleep. Eventually that chapter became a series of articles for my Substack (Un)Selective Symmetry, and is now a short book in its own right. It also includes as appendices a couple of later songs with a tenuous connection to Kingsland, where Anderson was executed.

Image of book cover

Thomas Anderson eBook

Here’s the table of contents, just to give you the flavour.

Contents
Thomas Anderson………………………………………………1
Thomas Anderson…………………………………………..5
Thomas Anderson lyric ……………………………………7
Thomas Anderson Recording……………………………9
Historical Background……………………………………11
A Load of Cobblers (and Tanners and
Leatherworkers) ……………………………………….13
From the Guilds to the Flower Show ……………14
From House of Industry to Shrewsbury School
……………………………………………………………….18
The Arbour and the Old Show …………………….20
Death of a Rebel ……………………………………….25
Sources and References……………………………..30
Church Street and St. Alkmund’s…………………32
St Mary’s Church……………………………………….35
Admiral Benbow ……………………………………….35
Katherine Mary Harley……………………………….36
Robert Cadman…………………………………………38
Appendix 1: Black Velvet …………………………………..40
Appendix 2: from the Shropshire Gazetteer…………48
Appendix 3: Goose and Common ……………………….50
Goose And Common lyric ………………………………52
Another (later) version ………………………………….53
The Inclosure Acts…………………………………………54
Kingsland……………………………………………………..55
Harley’s Stone………………………………………………58
Goosed by The Commons………………………………61
Appendix 4: Jack in the Box ……………………………….63
Ida Gandy…………………………………………………….65
Lyric and Tune Links………………………………………66
A Bastille Soupçon ………………………………………..68
About David Harley…………………………………………..71

Keepsake Mill

My setting of a poem by Robert Louis Stevenson. From the New Silver Jug Band’s first album Farewell Reunion. The poem is from ‘A Child’s Garden of Verses’.

Link on recording on Bandcamp (you don’t have to buy it to listen). Keepsake Mill

Over the borders, a sin without pardon,
Breaking the branches and crawling below,
Out through the breach in the wall of the garden,
Down by the banks of the river we go.

Here is a mill with the humming of thunder,
Here is the weir with the wonder of foam,
Here is the sluice with the race running under—
Marvellous places, though handy to home!

Sounds of the village grow stiller and stiller,
Stiller the note of the birds on the hill;
Dusty and dim are the eyes of the miller,
Deaf are his ears with the moil of the mill.

Years may go by, and the wheel in the river
Wheel as it wheels for us, children, to-day,
Wheel and keep roaring and foaming for ever
Long after all of the boys are away.

Home from the Indies and home from the ocean,
Heroes and soldiers we all will come home;
Still we shall find the old mill wheel in motion,
Turning and churning that river to foam.

You with the bean that I gave when we quarrelled,
I with your marble of Saturday last,
Honoured and old and all gaily apparelled,
Here we shall meet and remember the past.

Words by Robert Louis Stevenson: ‘Dublin Shop Window’ image, tune and vocal by David Harley. All instruments by David Harley and David Higgen.

‘Keepsake Mill’ on radio

‘Keepsake Mill’ from the new ‘Farewell Reunion’ album by myself, Dave Higgen and Nancy Higgen (masquerading as the New Prize Silver Jug Band) is scheduled to go into the ‘Here We Are’ section of Stuart Green’s show  ‘The Folk Club’ (on various platforms as shown below) on and after the 5th of February.

The show broadcasts as follows:

Folk Friday Radio www.facebook.com/folkfridayradiostation/

Every Weds 6.30pm  (Repeat Sunday 2pm)

Folk Music Notebook The Folk Music Notebook – Home

Every Thurs 10pm ET / 7pm PT /  UK  Fri 3am & 11am UK

West Norfolk Radio 

Saturday 7pm UK Time [West Norfolk Radio]

Mixcloud

Every show is available to catch up on The Folk Club

New Album – ‘Farewell Reunion’

By David Harley, Dave Higgen, and Nancy Higgen, masquerading as the New Prize Silver Jug Band.

There’s a certain amount of genre hopping here, but no actual jug band music.  Come to that, no brass/silver band either. Next time, maybe.

Back at the end of the 60s at college in North Wales, Dave and I, among others (including Sally Goddard, better known more recently as part of the Canadian band ‘Atlantic Union’, and Paul Dunderdale, last heard of teaching music on the Isle of Man) occasionally gigged under a name that cheekily parodied that of  a local silver band. When Dave and I started (via the wonders of internet connectivity) to record together, it seemed appropriate to resurrect the name (but dropping the name of the real silver band!)

Farewell Reunion (name taken from one of Dave’s songs) is currently available only from Bandcamp, though it may get streamed at some point. No hurry for that, since it’s unlikely that any of us will live long enough to make the threshold for payment from Spotify etc…

Dave Higgen: engineering and production; bass, drums/percussion, keys, guitars, vocals**, any instruments unaccounted for.

David Harley: octave mandola, most of the guitars and impersonation of other things with strings (but not the harp), vocals*.

Nancy Higgen: vocal on ‘Mad as the Mist and Snow’***

Here’s the tracklist. You don’t have to buy anything to listen to tracks.

  1. Anywhere (Harley)*
  2. Summer (Higgen-Harley)**
  3. Old White Lightning (Harley)*
  4. Bourgeois Domesticity (Higgen)**
  5. A Rainy Day Blues (Harley)*
  6. Mad as the Mist and Snow (W.B. Yeats-Higgen)***
  7. Who Do You Think You Are? (Harley)*
  8. Alone (Higgen)**
  9. Hannah (Upcountry) (Harley)*
  10. Ugly (Higgen)**
  11. Keepsake Mill (Robert Louis Stevenson-Harley)*
  12. Farewell Reunion (Higgen)**
  13. Paper City (Slight Return) (Harley-Higgen)*
  14. Lachaise (Higgen-Harley)*

Yet another album: Brookland Voices

I know it’s hardly five minutes since the last album, but I’ve actually been working on this one since last year.

Brookland Voices album cover

Brookland Voices started as another vaguely folky album, but somehow Messrs Yeats (subsequently moved to the ‘Swan Songs’ album) and Housman elbowed their way in. Then I found myself with all these improvised or semi-improvised guitar pieces, some of them played on electric rather than acoustic guitar, and they do seem to dominate the album. In fact, while I would never claim to be any sort of jazz guitarist, this is probably as near to a jazz album as I’ll ever get. To be fair, ‘South Wind’ and ‘The Water is Wide’ are instrumental versions of traditional songs/tunes.

‘Severn Years In The Sand’ is a version of a song that seems to have arisen during World War II among units that saw service in the Middle East. ‘The Knocker Up’ and ‘It Ain’t Gonna Rain are actual folk songs. ‘When I Was In Love With You’, ‘Far In A Western Brookland’, ‘When I Was One-And-Twenty’ and ‘Blue Remembered Hills’ are settings of verse by Housman. The song ‘A Rainy Day Blues’ and the other instrumentals are my own, including ‘Chivalry’, which is an instrumental based on my own ‘Song of Chivalry’.

New album ‘Swan Songs’

Swan Songs

Album cover

1. Ten Percent Blues 03:42
2. The Road 03:34
3. Marking Time 01:38
4. This Guitar Just Plays The Blues 02:49
5. The Last Musketeer 02:31
6. Orpheus with his Loot 02:27
7. What Do I Do (About You) 02:05
8. Rain 03:43
9. Paper City 05:46
10. Snowbird 04:44
11. Swift Variations 02:11
12. The Wild Swans at Coole 06:17
13. Cornish Ghosts 03:49
14. Hilltop Snapshots 03:38
15. The Road to Frenchman’s Creek 02:52
16. Song of Chivalry 03:58

In early 2023 an awkward medical condition brought it home to me that perhaps it was time to draw a line under any pretensions I have to live performance, so my appearance at the Lafrowda festival in St. Just on the 15th July marked a semi-official farewell to the live stage, not that I’ve played publicly much in recent years anyway. This album is drawn from the set list for that appearance, so it takes the form (mostly) of reinterpretations of familiar (to me, anyway) material rather than new songs.

I can’t promise that I’ll never be inflicted upon a live audience again (sorry!), and I’m certainly not promising that I’ll never record or write anything else, but this is, I suppose, an end to any thoughts I had of resuming my career as a professional musician when I retired from the IT industry in 2019.

Lyrics to ‘Marking Time’ by Fiona Freeman. Lyric to ‘The Wild Swans at Coole’ by W.B. Yeats. Other lyrics and all melodies by David Harley, as are all vocals and instruments.

Review: KEITH JAMES – Word Paintings

KEITH JAMES – Word Paintings (Hurdy Gurdy HGA2930)

It’s been a while since I heard and reviewed a Keith James album, so I was intrigued to find out what he’d been during the (very stressful, for all of us) interim. His album Word Paintings (due for release early in 2024) builds on his songwriting partnership with artist, ceramicist and writer Jenny Finch, previously heard on the 2021 album Can You Imagine? And what a very rewarding collaboration it is too. I understand from the review by Dai Jeffries for Folking.com that the final release may be different to the collection Keith sent to me last year as regards choice and order of tracks. I don’t have an up-to-date release date, but when I have a date and link I’ll post the information on this site.

The version of the album that I received featured  11 songs by Keith and Jenny as well as a song each from John Martyn and Nick Drake.

  1. Given Keith’s mastery of the nylon-strung guitar, it’s no surprise that ‘Postcard From Havana’ tells its absorbing story against a a musical background strongly suggestive of both Spanish and Afro-Cuban music.
  2. ‘Solid Air’ is the John Martyn jazz-flavoured classic first recorded in 1973: it’s remarkable how Keith gets under Martyn’s skin here, vocally and instrumentally, yet somehow makes the song his own, fitting entirely appropriately with the rest of the material here.
  3. ‘Nocturne’ is a dramatic, piano-driven song, with a suggestion of atonality here and there that adds to the overtones of desperation in the lyric.
  4. ‘Winter In Poitiers’ is more conventional in form and production: if the lyric wasn’t so very Keith James, you could almost imagine it sung by a Cliff Richard or Paul Young (and it might well have been a hit).
  5. ‘Currency Of Nations’ is a series of oblique, downbeat observations of ‘digital humanity’. Very effective.
  6. ‘The Lizard And The Butterfly’, with its electric guitar and solid percussion, is closer to rock than most of the tracks here, in a 60s sort of way. In fact it reminded me a little of Richard Fariña’s ‘Reno Nevada’, but in a good way.
  7. ‘Northern Sky’ is the other cover on this record, being one of Nick Drake’s songs. It’s a particularly fitting choice for the other cover on this album, in that ‘Solid Air’ was written for Nick. In fact, ‘Northern Sky’ seems to have been written while Nick was (briefly) living with John and Beverley Martin. Keith’s delivery here isn’t really that much like Nick’s, but has a fragility that seems fitting, given what we know now of that tragic talent.
  8. The enigmatic lyric to ‘The Photograph’ supplies its own series of snapshots, like a slide show or a video using stills “frozen in time”to support music. Fine music it is, too.
  9. The title of ‘Pram Wheels And Broken Lampshades’ sounds like something Tom Waits might have written, but the lyric subverts the premise of ‘Broken Bicycles’ and sets it into a livelier arrangement that is yet somehow more dangerous.
  10. Slide guitar and harmonica overlays give ‘Smoking Dog Café’ a blues-y vibe set against a lyric that somehow recalls the Beat Generation, or perhaps the generation of songsmiths (the Doors, the Grateful Dead et al) that absorbed those influences. I wouldn’t hate hearing some more like this.
  11. ‘Moment To Shine’ – the lyric echoes Keith’s stance as a climate change activist (as demonstrated in his Paradise Lost album), in a fittingly synth-heavy setting.
  12. ‘Sideways Smile’ is a bit of a surprise, given the seriousness and sophistication of so much of Keith’s output: a positive, poppy earworm. I love it!
  13. ‘She Bathes In Light’ reminded me a little, thematically of ‘She’s A Rainbow’, but has an richness of colour, imagery and humanity that evaded the Jagger-Richard song.

I already knew Keith as a fine poet and lyricist as well as a super-competent musician, but this collaboration is clearly working beautifully: while the arrangements and production (jointly executed by Branwen Munn and Keith himself) are as accomplished as ever. Some of the tracks here seem a little more accessible than some of his work, while retaining a poetic sensibility and musical scope that puts him closer to the Nouvelle Chanson heirs of Brel and Brassens than to mainstream rock.

If you know and love Keith’s work, you’ll certainly want to add this to your collection. If you’re not sure, I recommend that you give it a try!

David Harley

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Singing Grannies

Having an article in the next ‘Folklife Traditions Journal‘ (out in March) and sporadically working on a(nother) folk-ish album which may have to be mostly unaccompanied, I’m starting to worry that people will start accusing me of being a folkie again. Though I picked up a guitar just now and my left hand appeared to be almost back to normal, so there may yet be quite a lot of guitar after all.

The article is based on a longer article on this blog, by the way. There is an article in the next issue Folk In Cornwall which is also based on that article.

Now I’ve looked more closely, I see that Rosie Upton and I both wrote about songs sung by our grandmothers. Editor Sam Simmons gets at least two bonus points for tagging the articles The Granny Awards.

David Harley

In A Folkier Vein

Yes, after many decades of denying being a folk singer, I’ve made what looks from a distance like a folk album.

In A Folkier Vein does, in fact, include my take on a few genuine folk songs, while other tracks make use of traditional(-ish) material. While several of these songs have been released before, the versions here are generally re-recorded or at least remastered.

While working up a set for the Lafrowda festival in St Just, Cornwall, I started thinking about an album revisiting my favourite of my own songs, one of those songs being ‘Goose and Common’. At the same time, though, in conversation with other Cornwall-based songwriters on Anthea Prince’s Facebook group, notably Josh Rogers, my attention was drawn to a video in the course of which he sang ‘The Sheepstealer’.

I hadn’t sung that song in decades, but remembered that I’d long thought about a guitar-based version. When I’d put that together, though, I realized that it was going to look a bit odd in an album otherwise consisting of songs of mine. So while the only brand new tracks here (apart from The Sheepstealer) are the instrumental ‘Courtship Dance’ and the re-recorded ‘Call Yourself A Craftsman’ (previously recorded as a poem with music), ‘Oh Fair Enough Are Sky And Plain’ and ‘Goose and Common’, all the tracks here have some (sometimes tenuous) connection with the folk tradition. Or sound as if they mght. And several have been edited and remastered.

In fact, I cut the number of possible tracks right down, so there might be another dollop of folkiness up here in due course. I’ll try to resist, though, out of respect for the sensitivities of real folkies.

 

  1. Goose and Common 02:02

The Inclosure Acts enabled the passing into private hands land that had previously been designated as either ‘common’ or ‘waste’. This process preceded by several centuries the formal Inclosure Acts (which began with an Act of 1604) and continued into the 20th century, resulting in the enclosure of nearly seven million acres. While enclosure facilitated more efficient agricultural methods, that increased efficiency and loss of communal land was a factor in the enforced move of so many agricultural labourers into towns. There are a number of variations of this poem, which is usually assumed to date from the 1750s or ’60s, when enclosure legislation started to accelerate dramatically. The tune here is mine: the repeat of the last line is not in the original text, but I thought some chorus harmonies might be nice. 🙂

There are a number of variations of the text, and often just the first two verses are quoted. There’s an alternative four-verse text from ‘Tickler’ magazine dated 1821, but I like this text better.

I’ve previously recorded it unaccompanied, but wanted to try it with a guitar part.

2. The Sheepstealer 03:17

A traditional song learned many years ago from Ewan MacColl. Also known as ‘The Brisk Lad’. (The song, not Ewan.)

He collected it from the Dorset singer Caroline Hughes in the 60s, but Hammond also collected two very similar versions, also in Dorset, in the first decade of the 20th century. I noticed around then that the tune is clearly related to one associated with the rather more spiritual ‘The Carnal and the Crane’ and ‘The Holy Well’, though Martin Carthy also used it for a version of the less-than-spiritual ballad of adultery and murder ‘Little Musgrave and Lady Barnard.’

When I sang ‘The Sheepstealer’ in the 70s, I always sang it unaccompanied, as did Ewan MacColl.

Much more recently, though, I started to play ‘The Holy Well’ as an intro to my own Song of Chivalry (though not for the song itself, which uses a more-or-less original tune). Even more recently, when the Dorset song came up in conversation in a Facebook group frequented by Cornish songwriters, it occurred to me that a somewhat similar guitar part would work quite well with it. And I think it does: your mileage may vary, of course! (Josh Rogers, this is your fault!)

I admit to having made minor changes to the lyric over the years, unintentionally.

3. Song of Chivalry 03:29

Talking of the Song of Chivalry, here’s a version of the song using for an introduction the tune often associated with the ballad ‘The Holy Well’ (Roud 1697). ‘The Sheepstealer’ uses a variation on the same tune. The words to the song were published twice as a poem before the main tune finally turned up.

4. Call Yourself a Craftsman? 03:03

Written for the revue “Nice (If You Can Get It) – a revue about work” in the early 1980s. At the time the revue was put together and (briefly) toured, I was working by day for a company that built staircases (mostly). This song is based on my personal experience of working in the woodworking industry, though I was a wood machinist, not a carpenter.

In a recent conversation, I expressed some regret that I never got to do something like the radio ballads put together by Ewan MacColl, Peggy Seeger, Charles Parker et al, then realized that the revue was actually quite near to that concept.

Ian Campbell also wrote some songs in that idiom, including one called The Apprentice’s Song, but that’s about gas fitters. Mine is about an apprentice carpenter, and I’ve changed the title to avoid confusion with Ian’s song.

Originally a poem of sorts, but re-recorded as a song after a discussion about that harsh little joke in the third verse. I honestly can’t remember if it was used in the revue – it was written around that time, but maybe not soon enough to be included. Like ‘Long Stand’, it touches on the uneasy relationship between the old hand and the apprentice – while hazing or snipe-hunting is a particularly unpleasant way of keeping the young ‘uns in their place, it’s not always considered the duty of the master to encourage the apprentice.

The tune is now mostly associated with ‘Tramps and Hawkers’, a song that seems to have been written by ‘Besom Jimmy’ in the late 19th century, though the tune is far older than that. (Ewan MacColl used the same tune for England’s Motorways, from the radio ballad ‘Song of a Road’, about the workers who built the M1.)

5. Long Stand 03:00

Included because it has been mistaken for a traditional song. In fact, I wrote it for a revue in the 1980s: the same one as ‘Call Yourself A Craftsman?’. Both of my songs (and Sting’s much later ‘Sky Hooks and Tartan Paint’, come to think of it) look at ways in which veteran craftsmen keep the youngsters in their place, though ‘Long Stand’ just uses ‘hazing’ as a jumping-off point for making a political point.

This is a re-recorded version.

Back in the days when Britain had industries, it was customary for the older blokes to send apprentices to fetch curious items such as a can of striped paint or some rubber nails. The lucky lad who was sent for a long stand was liable to be left standing at the counter for a half an hour or longer while the storeman went off for a cup of tea and a chuckle. The guitar was tuned DADGAD, to give it a folksy Martin Carthy/Nic Jones feel. But it still sounds more like David Harley to me. Oh well…

I once had exchange of snailmail – it was before my internet days) – with the former Labour MP Joe Ashton, who mentioned the sport of apprentice-hazing in his column for one of the tabloids, describing some similar japes and a particularly vigorous retaliation involving tacks and doggy-do.  I bet you don’t get that kind of hazing in merchant banks and call centres. Though, considering some of the people who work in those environments, I suspect that some of the bullying is even worse

6. Thomas Anderson 05:08

While it’s by no means traditional – though Ken Hughes pointed out to me once that a bit of ‘The Bells of Paradise’, which Ron used to sing, had crept into my tune – it’s often been mistaken for a folk song, and it was important in my own development as a songwriter. So here, for good or ill, it is.

This is remastered from the version previously included on ‘Tears of Morning’ and other albums.

7. Ballad of the Arbor Tree 03:00

Originally released on the ‘Tears of Morning’ album, slightly tweaked here.

My setting of words written by ‘WHB’, probably in the late 18th or early 19th century. See davidharleysongs.wordpress.com/2020/09/25/ballad-of-the-arbor-tree-rough-demo/ for (much) more information.

Not really folk, but probably fits quite well with borderline songs like ‘Staines Morris’.

8. Young Hunting 04:08

A heavily adapted version of a traditional ballad (Child 68; Roud 47). I found when I was still at school in the 1960s, though I’ve undoubtedly changed it since. I didn’t have a tune for it, so I cobbled one together. Unfortunately, I don’t remember where I found the words, though I’ve come across a very similar American text (unattributed) since. Remastered from a previously released recording.

The first of three songs about women betrayed by men. In this case, however, the woman’s response is… robust… There are certainly longer versions of the ballad, but I like the way this one is relatively terse yet manages to keep the supernatural element.

9. Nightingale (A la Claire Fontaine) 02:36

A song – maybe originally a jongleur ballad – well known in France, Belgium and Canada, translated and arranged by me.

The tune used here is well known – I think it may be the one in the Penguin Book of Canadian Folksongs.

I’ve always liked this particular tune, but the words as I’ve seen them have always seemed problematical to me, with the lover whining that he was unjustly discarded for being reluctant to give his lady a spray of roses. Hard to be too sympathetic… When I found some older versions where the protagonist was clearly female and the spray of roses symbolizes her maidenhead, it made more sense, though it also makes it more difficult for me to sing it convincingly myself. (I may attempt a male version that is nearer to the original sense, but that could be challenging.)  This is a rather free translation, picking up a possible interpretation that the lady lost out by giving in too easy, and then being too ‘easy’ to marry.

C’est de mon ami Pierre, qui ne veut plus m’aimer,
Pour un bouton de rose, que j’ai trop tôt donné.

Other versions suggest that she was dropped because she _didn’t_ give in. As well as making my chosen subtext a little clearer, I’ve compressed the story by dropping a couple of very common lines referring to the protagonist bathing, as that doesn’t seem to translate well. The song is often seen as a children’s song, but this approach might be considered a bit too explicit for that.

And yes, vining roses are a thing: they’re climbing roses trained to grow along fences and trellises.

10. Blackwaterside 02:41

A traditional song (Roud 312) collected in several versions by Peter Kennedy in the 1950s and popularized by Anne Briggs and Bert Jansch both separately and together. Jimmy Page borrowed Jansch’s arrangement and renamed it ‘Black Mountain Side’. My version owes more stylistically to Davy Graham, though I don’t remember every hearing Davy play it. I’d never played it until I heard Atlantic Union’s Sally Goddard sing it: while Sally and I did work up a version on which this recording is based, it’s much freer than the Atlantic Union’s very rhythmic version. We haven’t performed it in public yet, but never say never.

I don’t sing it on my own, as it just doesn’t suit my voice. However, I recorded it when discussing arrangements with Andi Lee (The Ashen) who has also recorded it, though our arrangements are quite different.

11. Loveliest of Trees 01:19

My setting of a poem from ‘A Shropshire Lad’ (II). The tune is adapted from the reel ‘The Rose Tree’ (it’s basically the ‘A’ tune), so it kind of fits here, though it’s also available on ‘So Sound You Sleep’. And after all that betrayal, I thought it was time for something upbeat.

12. The Weekends 03:26

This is very much a Marmite song. Some people love it: a few have found it too depressing to listen to without offensively noisy commentary, but I don’t hold to the opinion that all music has to be happy-clappy. (As you’ll have noticed if you’ve followed my other music, though this album is comparatively upbeat.)

The tune is based on two traditional tunes: ‘Musselburgh Fair’, and ‘Dives And Lazarus’. The story is partly based on someone I met in London in the 1970s.

13. Oh, Fair Enough Are Sky And Plain 01:09

Variants of the tune used here have been used for versions of The Recruited Collier, The Trees They Grow High, and We Shepherds Are The Best Of Men (and no doubt many others). As the latter two of those songs were associated with Shropshire’s Fred Jordan (among many others, of course) it seemed fitting to use it for one of my settings from ‘A Shropshire Lad’ (XX). Previously released on ‘So Sound You Sleep’ but this is a re-recorded version.

14. Courtship Dance 01:13

A little guitar duet that was driving me crazy this afternoon. It was originally recorded as an iimprovised ntro to an instrumental version of ‘Maids of Mourne Shore’, the tune better known as ‘Down By The Salley Gardens’ since it was used as a setting by Hughes in 1904. However, I wasn’t happy with the guitar sound on the main tune, so I abstracted the bits I did like. I may come back to this on a future recording: it might even sound more like ‘Salley Gardens’ eventually…

David Harley